When you hear someone mention "liberal arts" they don't mean just painting classes. The category includes those subjects you mention.

In the classical sense of the phrase, painting would be considered a "servile" art.

Not only arts, any kind of social studies. Art, history, psychology, even speech class, yeah.

Who was talking about art degree? *shudder*
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The term liberal arts has come to mean studies that are intended to provide general knowledge and intellectual skills, rather than more specialized occupational or professional skills.

The scope of the liberal arts has changed with society. It once emphasised the education of elites in the classics]science[/url] and humanities during the Age of Enlightenment, the scope and meaning of "liberal arts" expanded to include them. Still excluded from the liberal arts are topics that are specific to particular occupations, such as agriculture, business, dentistry, engineering, medicine, pedagogy (school-teaching), and pharmacy.

In the history of education, the seven liberal arts comprised two groups of studies: the trivium and the quadrivium. Studies in the trivium involved grammar, rhetoric, and dialectic (logic); and studies in the quadrivium involved arithmetic, geometry, astronomy, and music. These liberal arts made up the core curriculum of the medieval universities. The term liberal in liberal arts is from the Latin word liberalis, meaning "appropriate for free men" (social and political elites), and they were contrasted with the servile arts. The liberal arts thus initially represented the kinds of skills and general knowledge needed by the elite echelon of society, whereas the servile arts represented specialized tradesman skills and knowledge needed by persons who were employed by the elite.

Gee, it's nice to talk to an educated person.

Well, you asked who was talking about an art degree. Nobody was.

But, since you brought up the subject.... If a young person has a natural talent for painting or sculpture and desires to make work in the tradition of Western Civilization, ie. learn to paint/sculpt like the dead White masters of yore, a liberal arts college will crush him. The jew-ruled art departments across the nation are in a state of permanent 'revolution" against that tradition. They call it modernism or , now, post-modernism.

Gee, it's nice to talk to an educated person.

Well, you asked who was talking about an art degree. Nobody was.

But, since you brought up the subject.... If a young person has a natural talent for painting or sculpture and desires to make work in the tradition of Western Civilization, ie. learn to paint/sculpt like the dead White masters of yore, a liberal arts college will crush him. The jew-ruled art departments across the nation are in a state of permanent 'revolution" against that tradition. They call it modernism or , now, post-modernism.

I hope, you didn't think that I was sarcastic. I deeply respect knowledge.

Even now some artists create beautiful art, I believe it was Stormfront, where people posted pics of White Art. An artist is still free to choose his personal style. But it's hard to create a sculpture like Rodin, and the artists themselves don't push. I'm not even sure that artists needed diplomas. I believe that old-fashiong tutoring by the masters was more productive. But it's a specific profession, requires a talent and lots of work.

In general, I still disagree that getting a diploma is wasting of time. You, for example, could've been a teacher in a college, influencng the young people. But now there's some negro with his own agenda, or one of the chosenites had taken the spot and poison the students with their propaganda.

Yes, the thing is that you need that diploma to 'prove' that you're educated, that's how the system is organized; this is just another scheme to make money. I mean do I really want $60k in debt? What happened to learning the skills you need to be successful in the work place in 12 years of FREE education? I also noticed that education in general is moving away from practicality, I mean very few people are actually going to use anything above basic math.

How I wish our kind would regain control and bring back society to it's glory it once was so many years ago. I can't help but feel resentment about being born in this time period.

Here is a site that is dedicated to restoring the traditions of Fine Art.
http://www.artrenewal.org/

Ironically it is modernism and modernists that have for nearly a century suppressed traditional realists from the freedom to express themselves artistically. It is Realism which has been virtually banned in most of the fine art departments in colleges and universities throughout the western world.

I hope, you didn't think that I was sarcastic. I deeply respect knowledge.

Even now some artists create beautiful art, I believe it was Stormfront, where people posted pics of White Art. An artist is still free to choose his personal style. But it's hard to create a sculpture like Rodin, and the artists themselves don't push. I'm not even sure that artists needed diplomas. I believe that old-fashiong tutoring by the masters was more productive. But it's a specific profession, requires a talent and lots of work.

In general, I still disagree that getting a diploma is wasting of time. You, for example, could've been a teacher in a college, influencng the young people. But now there's some negro with his own agenda, or one of the chosenites had taken the spot and poison the students with their propaganda.

I am a carpenter and I don’t cuss or drink. I have ceased posting on VNNF on a large scale in order to spend more time educating my people. An honest or WN senator wouldn’t last a complete term. However an applied carpenter with a mission can do a lot for his race. I speak publicly to 40 or more white people 3-4 times a week. A carpenter is in more of a position then a politician is to help his race. Look at what Glenn Miller (a retired soldier) did for his race and is still doing. Look at what Chain (who works a regular job) is doing for his race. How about Dr Pierce a college professor, or George Lincoln Rockwell another former soldier. How about Hitler an artist/architect.

Politicians rarely make a positive change for the white race. If you are an independent businessman you have more control over your life and more time to organize people or make contributions for your race. I work for my dad, and as long as I do my job he won’t fire me or hire immigrant labor in my place. If I had a full college education and a job to match, I could be fired for being an open racist, or my job could easily be outsourced. Another thing is I can make enough to take several months a year off from work.

The key is to be independent so you don’t have to rely on someone else for your job. If you are a teacher or politician you can lose your job for being a racist. Find something that Mexicans can’t do. Sure many of them can do cheap labor but they don’t do quality work nor can they perform complicated tasks. They still have to have white bosses to tell them what to do. Take a job where you have to be creative and improvise. Muds can be trained to do repetitious jobs, but whites alone posses creative skills.

Right now the closest thing we have to a WN politician is Ron Paul, but he will never name the Jew. If whites ever take America back it will be due to the skilled workers and not the professional people.

In my line I have more contact with normal people, a senator would only have contact with people that will never name the Jew because they are to comfortable in their lifestyle. The more you have to lose the less you can do for your race.

With all due respect, let me disagree. The only liberation is through education. No disrespect to the working people but who has more power - one cenator or a thousand carpenters? The thousand carpenters only in case if they belong to one union or military organization. But it's a rare occurence. Carpenters mind their own business, cuss the government and drink their beer. Some of them might post on VN forum. That's pretty much summarizes their involvement in politics. So one cenator has much more power. What if this cenator is you? What if there are ten VNers in Senate? If two hundreds?

Well, Sean, you have reminded me that the best framing that I have seen yet was done by a large family of Mennonites. All of these guys are White-a dad and his four or five sons. They build in a lot of exclusive communities. You go down the street to another home in the same very exclusive community and have a look at what the mexicans have cobbled together and called framing and the difference is very, very clear. The scary thing is that the state of North Carolina is now printing the NEC (electrical code) in Spanish. That's right folks! I wonder how they will explain away all of the house fires resulting from this one. Thing is, the mexicans do crappy work and they don't care. They just slap it together and call it good.

My big problem is with the people that hire these scum. They only work cheaper because they are illegal and because Whites don't generally live 30 to a singlewide trailer.

My question on this subject is this: why can there not be a White institution of higher learning? I don't expect that it would be accredited-not a first, anyway. Yet, it would be possible if the funds could be raised to have a university for Whites that offers a true education without all of the jewspin. After all, most colleges are now simply indoctrination centers for jewthink.

"A carpenter is in more of a position then a politician is to help his race. Look at what Glenn Miller (a retired soldier) did for his race and is still doing. Look at what Chain (who works a regular job) is doing for his race. How about Dr Pierce a college professor, or George Lincoln Rockwell another former soldier. How about Hitler an artist/architect. "

Hitler as an artist wouldn't bring Germany to that level it was in 1940. He took political power. You may say that he didn't graduate a University. Yes, but how many people can follow Hitler or Napoleon in his endeavors? How many do you know?

Tomorrow a carpener might be drafted and die at war he didn't start. That's the end of his power. But a ruler, who wants to change his country - really can do it. For better or worse. Do you think it's so impossible to stop illegal aliens? Don't tell me that US military forces cannot do it. Sure they can. But they don't get an order to do it. Would be two hundred patriotic senators able to change it? Possibly. But when all the key positions are taken by the yids or people under their control - the things are going to change only for worse, no matter how often "Carpenters" on that site will be appealing to US to "wake up".

I'm not into politics myself, and my examples are nothing but hyphotetic. But what I'm trying to say, that all those key positions should be reclaimed by the white people and only highly educated people are able to compete. Or, of course, we might sit down and wait for a "Hitler", but where is a guarantee that it will be not a "Stalin"?
The educational system is going to decline until the white people will take the reins. Do you think that yids or blacks will be forcing their brains trying to teach white children? I don't think so. Jews educate their kids separately, while dumbing down our children. Homeschooling is not a solution - the schools and colleges must teach the children, the whole system must work for the white men.

"How about Dr Pierce a college professor," - that's what I'm talking about "A PROFESSOR". It wouldn't hurt to have smart professors in thousands. Not jews, not, Indians, not Koreans. White people, educated in their mass, will restore the country and bring it to a new level.

No disrespect for carpenters, no way.

Some readers of the smug bitch Marylin might remember this from years ago. I guess it caused quite a stir with many getting the answer wrong including some mathematicians. I suck at math but was able to get the answer right. To me it was simple logic or maybe I'm just a good guesser. So here it is VNNers....no cheating or googling the answer now!

Nope. = gambler's fallacy. Well, in fact it's the inverted gambler's fallacy (your chances increase from 1/3 to 1/2 once one of the choices is eliminated). Changing, however, doesn't increase one's chances by any means. Pure superstition.

Actually the Jew is partially right-- today we waste far more of the budget on throwaway junk. Old days, things were more built to last, and people did not make junkets to Walmart for plastic crap made by Chink slaves that that the OneEyedJew-- tv -- tells people they need to have.

Stay busy, keep out of the Jew's retail establishments as much as possible, and enjoy your life instead of just working and buying crap all the time. Set aside some time and money to help Whites instead of always just buying commodity fetishes.

You have the knack for summing things up real nice with a minimum of verbiage.

I would almost guarantee there is not a 20% difference in the price. The Mennonites are probably several generations deep in building homes, where the Mexicans just take orders.

The odd thing is those same people will probably pay $40,000 for a quality car instead of $10,000 for a yugo, but want to cut cost in their shelter and home where their families are protected.

Really I don’t think it is the money because the extra for a quality job is not really as much as the comparison to buying quality cars verses clunkers. I think they want to be trendy and hire illegals.

Well, Sean, you have reminded me that the best framing that I have seen yet was done by a large family of Mennonites. All of these guys are White-a dad and his four or five sons. They build in a lot of exclusive communities. You go down the street to another home in the same very exclusive community and have a look at what the mexicans have cobbled together and called framing and the difference is very, very clear.